Distinguishes between unproductive financial fads (portfolio insurance, subprime) and productive technology bubbles (steam engine, railroad, internet, AI) that push society forward but destroy capital during implementation.
Howard Marks
When investors hate everything, assets are on sale. When everybody is excited, things may be overhyped and overpriced. You have to be careful.
Asks what 'being careful' looks like: focusing on debt vs. equities, small vs. large companies?
Lisa
Howard Marks
It's okay to lend for uncertain activities, but not for purely conjectural ones. A lender needs visibility on repayment. For purely conjectural outcomes, you should be in equity to get the upside.
Confirms: In some circumstances, equity might be better than debt due to that potential?
Lisa
Howard Marks
Exactly. If you go into a startup with a small chance of raging success, you wouldn't lend to it because you have a high probability of losing all your money and no chance to participate in the success. That's a bad trade.
Asks about the risk-reward pendulum. Notes Oracle sold off after talking about borrowing and spending more. Asks if this market discretion makes him feel good.
Lisa
Howard Marks
Quotes Buffett: 'The less prudence with which others conduct their affairs, the greater the prudence with which we must conduct our own.' When others act imprudently, we should worry. When others show appropriate concern, it's a positive sign the market is applying discipline.
Asks how concerned he is about a more accommodative Fed leading to more risk-taking, via rate cuts and balance sheet expansion.
Lisa
Howard Marks
Fed manipulations are a form of price control (controlling the price of money). Artificially cheap money induces risk-taking, forces people into riskier activities, and reinforces the view of a 'Fed put.' These are bad things.
Asks where we are now in terms of return expectations based on current interest rates.
Lisa
Howard Marks
The Fed funds rate at 3.5% is below historical average, not high. Everything scales off that. Prospective returns in debt are moderate, not lush but not inadequate.
Asks about his addendum on AI's impact on the labor market, cannibalization of jobs, and how he grapples with this for investments, fiscal deficit, and the financial system.
Lisa
Howard Marks
He's talking about society, not investing. It's very worrying. The internet eliminated white-collar jobs but created blue-collar jobs (e.g., warehouse pickers), so job count isn't down but job quality is down.