• Requests analysis of jobless claims numbers.
    Joe Kernen
  • Brett Ryan
    Jobless claims numbers are not concerning and align with the gradually rising unemployment rate. The key debate is whether the labor market slowdown is demand or supply driven.
  • Highlights the conflicting signals between strong GDP and weaker jobs data, creating a policy dilemma for the Fed.
    Joe Kernen
  • Brett Ryan
    Confusion stems from multiple simultaneous policy changes. The economy shows decent GDP/capex growth (AI-driven) and a labor market with both low hiring and low firing.
  • Cites Austan Goolsbee's view that low hiring and low firing indicates uncertainty, and asks if policy certainty could accelerate the job market.
    Joe Kernen
  • Brett Ryan
    Yes, fiscal policy (large tax refunds) will stimulate GDP growth (~2.8% in H1 2025). Business investment beyond AI should pick up, raising a tail risk of labor market tightening due to potential worker shortages.
  • Asks how the Fed should navigate interacting policy changes (productivity vs. immigration) and whether to cut rates or wait.
    Joe Kernen
  • Brett Ryan
    The Fed is split between a camp wanting to cut due to downside risks and a camp advocating caution due to above-target inflation and the potential for policies to reignite strong growth and labor demand.
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