• Introduces theme: leverage unwinding in crypto vs. record global debt. Asks which country breaks first in the leveraged system and about the $350T debt wall catalyst.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    Gold should be ~$4,750 based on US federal debt divided by global gold ounces. Highlights China's multi-front assault on the US dollar (navy, BRICS, One Belt One Road lending $1.3T to 150 UN nations) driving central bank gold buying. Priority shift from trade to national security/protectionism fuels MMT spending.
  • Asks for source of incremental liquidity for Holmes's $7,000 gold target given potential disinflationary trade shock/strong dollar.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    Positive: US/Canada have strong institutions (Supreme Court) as safeguard. Global trade remains strong (cargo shipping up 24%, airlines/hotels up 12.5%). Scarcity is key: no major copper mines in decades, gold mine development now takes 30 years vs. 7. Governments print money in crises but never fully withdraw it, leading to more printing next time.
  • Asks if physical gold ETFs are cannibalizing capital from mining equities.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    No. Problem is overregulation in UK/Canada killing liquidity (e.g., Barrick/Newmont delisting). Banks control 94% of savings and discourage gold investment. US markets have better liquidity. Gold miners are doing well: 7 of IBD's top 20 momentum stocks are gold miners.
  • Asks where to look for upside: large caps, mid-tiers, or beaten-down juniors.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    Beaten-down juniors with cheap reserves ($30/oz) are takeover targets. Mid-caps being bottled by majors. Migration of Canadian miners to US listings for liquidity (e.g., Barrick). Presents gold valuation models: $43k/oz (global debt), $15k/oz (global M2), $13,750/oz (total US debt). Gold is relatively fairly priced today just on US federal debt.
  • Asks how heavy institutional concentration alters Bitcoin's downside risk during macro stress.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    Speculates China, Russia, Iran (30% of Bitcoin network) are mining at 1-2 cent cost, potentially dumping to attack the US dollar and embarrass Trump (pro-Bitcoin policy). This is a geopolitical attack on financial integrity. Gold and Bitcoin are both great alternative assets. Ray Dalio worried about monetary order breakdown.
  • Frank Holmes
    Silver became a US strategic mineral in late November (like rare earths), creating new speculation and a major new buyer: military/NATO nations, not just solar.
  • Asks for force rank: physical gold, gold mining equities, Bitcoin, AI data center infrastructure.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    For family offices: direct investment in data centers. Cheapest data centers are Bitcoin miners (~$1M/MW) because they have secured power/land and can be upgraded to Tier 3 AI centers (~$33M/MW) in 9 months vs. 3-5 years from scratch. Bitcoin miners trade at a fraction of pure data center multiples (10x revenue, 20x EBITDA).
  • Asks about single biggest macro mispricing.
    Jeremy Saffron
  • Frank Holmes
    Need for lower US settlement rates to ignite housing construction, which has a high multiplier effect. In Canada, need affordable housing.
  • Frank Holmes
    Focus on well-managed Canadian gold stocks with good governance. Gold ETF allocation fell from 8% of US ETF ecosystem in 2012 to <2%, now climbing back above 2%. It's going back to 8%.
  • Frank Holmes
    If really bearish on world debt, gold is $43,000/oz. Silver will push to $500/oz.
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